morgandawn: (BSG Roslin wikidwitch)
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1. The focused love of a subject matter (TV, knitting, hockey)
2. Active engagement with the subject matter vs passive consumption. Active engagement can be thinking about the show, discussing it, writing fic, making gif sets etc. Passive engagement is turning on the TV and watching it and then forgetting about it.  Note: one can passively consume the products of active engagement. Media fandom does not only consist of artists or fanfic writers, it also includes readers and lurkers and organizers. Also note that the active engagement does not have to be social - you can still be a media fan if you never connect up with another media fan and all the engagement takes place inside your head.
3.Non-commercial (fanzines were always supposed to be non-profit, artists would often get paid for their fanart prints or originals, and if fans turned their fanfic into pro fic - well it was no longer fanfic.)

Everything else: concrit, (n)etiquette, visibility, 4th Wall, warnings are all community specific and even among communities these "norms' or "rules" vary and are not universally accepted. To argue that someone is violating "fandom culture" is like arguing that everyone in the fandom world belongs to a single faith. In fact it argues that even if there are many fandom faiths, that all members of the faith  hold the same beliefs. While it is true that some faiths will not accept you unless you believe in and adopt their specific tenets, there are always those who claim a religious identity while disagreeing with some (or all) of the doctrines of their faith. 

Fandom is multitudes. Fandom is IDIC. Fandom is wherever you are.

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Date: 2015-02-23 06:02 pm (UTC)
musesfool: text icon: Gryffindor: We have done the impossible and that makes us mighty. (we have done the impossible)
From: [personal profile] musesfool
YES. Thank you.

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Date: 2015-02-23 06:58 pm (UTC)
niqaeli: cat with arizona flag in the background (Default)
From: [personal profile] niqaeli
I mean, the hilarious thing is that I disagree with you re: non-commercial. That one I believe to also be a matter of community standards that vary from community to community and also even within communities. It is, granted, true of a good deal of Western-derived media fandom, but that's not the only fandom community.

But, yes.

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Date: 2015-02-24 02:50 am (UTC)
heresluck: (slings & arrows: geoffrey)
From: [personal profile] heresluck
I've been thinking about this issue a lot lately, as you might expect, and one of the things I've been thinking about is the difference between being A Fan and being In Fandom. I completely agree that being a fan means being actively engaged (in any of a variety of ways!) and that the engagement doesn't have to be social... but I do think that *fandom* is social. Not necessarily social in the sense of interacting socially -- fandom includes readers and lurkers, as you say! But reading and lurking are still social in that they involve seeking out the fic/essays/art/etc. of other fans, which is, I think, a step beyond just thinking about the show or imagining missing scenes or writing drawer fic.

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Date: 2015-02-24 03:36 pm (UTC)
kass: Ray Kowalski ponders. (RayK thinking)
From: [personal profile] kass
the difference between being A Fan and being In Fandom.

Yes! I've been thinking about this too. I'm ordering a custom-made thing from Etsy which is clearly made by a fan. But I don't know whether she's "in fandom" as I would recognize it. I wonder to what extent making and selling fannish things might be her form of fannish sociability.

I do agree with Morgan Dawn's point that not every corner of fandom has the same social mores or implicit expectations. I think that's one of the things we're bumping into as we watch this imbroglio with assigning of fanfic (and the assigning of leaving critical comments) as part of a class -- I'm sure the people teaching that class think of themselves as fans; they wouldn't be treating fanfic as worthwhile literature if they weren't! But wherever they're coming from, fannishly speaking, may be different from the corner of media fandom where I was "reared" as a fan.

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Date: 2015-02-27 09:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heresluck
Right, yes -- fandom is multitudes, as MD says; to make a distinction between In Fandom and Not In Fandom isn't to say that fandom itself is all one thing! Fandom is always fandoms, plural, always a sprawling, messy, and only sometimes overlapping collection of affinity groups with a wide range of norms and assumptions affected by lots of different variables.

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Date: 2015-02-24 04:23 am (UTC)
cofax7: climbing on an abbey wall  (Default)
From: [personal profile] cofax7
Yes, this!

Thank you for being sensible and bringing your understanding of fannish history to bear.

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Date: 2015-02-24 04:34 am (UTC)
saraht: "...legwork" (Default)
From: [personal profile] saraht
Yes, indeed.

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